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Since 2014, Sanjay Fernandes and his colleagues at SOLE Colombia have been teaching citizens the principles of a Self-Organised Learning Environment. He is passionate about reimagining learning and tackling issues like inequality, inspired by decades of research by Sugata Mitra which has shown that
Ep. 86
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Bernadette Wesley on bridging inner and outer transformation
Bernadette Wesley’s work is all about bridging the world of inner development with the world of being in an organisation together. We talk about Deliberately Developmental Organisations (DDOs); self-organisation and why changing structures is not enough; the Inner Development Goals (IDGs); and three
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Mar 8, 2023
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Jon Alexander on the possibility of opening up a Citizen Future
Jon Alexander is the author of the hugely popular 2022 book ‘Citizens: Why the Key to Fixing Everything is All of Us’. He talks to me about the people he interviewed and the stories he collected which show how it’s possible to go from what he calls a ‘Consumer’ mindset to a ‘Citizen’ mindset – like
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Feb 22, 2023
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Imandeep Kaur on reimagining social and civic infrastructures for the challenges of the 21st century
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Three authors of the book ‘Made Without Managers: One Company’s Journey to New Ways of Working’ join me to talk about what they have learned at Mayden, a cloud based health tech solutions organisation in the UK. Ruth Waterfield (developer and scrum master), Taryn Burden (product owner of Mayden’s ne
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A podcast exploring the emerging world of self-managing teams and progressive organisations Hosted by Lisa Gill


The Leadermorphosis podcast is transforming the world of work one conversation at a time. Join host Lisa Gill as she talks to practitioners, authors, and thinkers from all over the world who are at the cutting edge of new ways of working, leading, and being together. Each guest shares what they have learned on their journeys of reinventing organisations or helping to transform how we see the world. The aim? To inspire and embolden listeners to start experimenting, and act their way into a more decentralised, more human future of work.

“The Leadermorphosis podcast is the absolute gold standard of conversations about organisations.” – Richard D. Bartlett, co-founder of Loomio, The Hum and director of The Enspiral Foundation

Lisa Gill

Lisa was included in the Thinkers50 Radar 2020 for her work with self-managing teams and is the author of ‘Moose Heads on the Table: Stories About Self-Managing Organisations from Sweden’ (2020). She is an organisational self-management coach, trainer with Tuff Leadership Training and founder of Reimaginaire.

“Turning self-managed teams from a good idea into reality is a big challenge and Lisa Gill is leading the way in making it happen.” – Thinkers50

Leadermorphosis is powered by Tuff Leadership Training. Tuff trains people in the mindset and skills needed to lead in more involving ways and create working climates built on trust and openness, as well as helping organisations introduce or develop self-managing teams.

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Host – Lisa Gill

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Intro track VO – Maria Hentzel

Intro track music – Robert Valsinger

Website – Tom Locke

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