Aaron Dignan on using software to help scale new ways of working
Aaron Dignan, author of Brave New Work and founder of The Ready, is back on the podcast, this time to talk about how his new software startup, Murmur, can help organisations scale new ways of working. We talk about the importance of team agreements and how to keep them alive, plus what Aaron and his
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Aug 2, 2022
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Ria Baeck and J.D. Nasaw on trauma informed collaboration
Ria Baeck and J.D. Nasaw. Ria and J.D. are both coaches and facilitators who combine scientific research of trauma with embodied practices of collective intelligence and wisdom. In our conversation, we discuss questions like: what does trauma have to do with new ways of working? How can we be more
Ep. 76
Jun 29, 2022
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Alice Sheldon on needs understanding and the partnership paradigm
Alice Sheldon is the author of ‘Why Weren’t We Taught This at School?’ and the founder of Needs Understanding, an approach for finding creative solutions and building relationships at home and at work. I love how Alice shares practical tools and stories to bring to life some of the principles of Non
Ep. 75
Jun 13, 2022
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Matt Perez on going from a fiat hierarchy to a radical company without bosses or employees
Matt Perez realised that his successful career as a boss in a Silicon Valley tech company had made him a worse person and so he co-founded Nearsoft in 2007 to be a company that works for everyone. His recent book, Radical Companies Without Bosses or Employees, takes self-organisation one step furthe
Ep. 74
May 6, 2022
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Kate Beecroft on the critiques and possibilities of DAOs
Kate Beecroft works on ecosystem and community building at Centrifuge, the decentralised asset financing protocol. She has been involved in Decentralised Autonomous Organisations (DAOs) since 2018 and brings to them her experience of self-managing organisations as the co-founder of Greaterthan and a
Ep. 73
Feb 24, 2022
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Swarnalakshmi Ravi on Inclusive Neighbourhood Children’s Parliaments
Swarnalakshmi Ravi is the former national prime minister of India's Inclusive Neighbourhood Children's Parliament. The children’s parliament movement is an example of how simple but effective governance principles and structures can make children’s voices heard and empower them to take collective ac
Ep. 72
Feb 9, 2022
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Marwa Farouq on new ways of working, diversity, equity and inclusion at Teach for All
Marwa Farouq leads the Global Operations Circle in Teach for All, which is a global network of partner organisations developing collective leadership to improve education and expand opportunity for all children. Marwa shares what she’s learned from exploring new ways of working at Teach for All, inc
Ep. 71
Jan 17, 2022
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Ravi Resck on social systems that foster win-win-win relationships
Ravi Resck was born to hippy parents in Brazil, became a computer network engineer, and then travelled the world as a guitarist, discovering a love of facilitation and social design. Today he goes by tags like hacktivist, org designer, facilitator, and systems mapper, sharing social technologies wit
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Jan 4, 2022
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Jos de Blok on Buurtzorg and the virtues of humanising, not protocolising
Jos de Blok is the founder of Buurtzorg, a home care organisation in the Netherlands with 15,000 nurses and no managers. We talk about how their decentralised, human approach has helped them during the pandemic, why he believes ‘protocolising things’ in organisations does damage, and his advice for
Ep. 69
Dec 5, 2021
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Michael Bungay Stanier on the value of being more coach-like
Michael Bungay Stanier is on a mission to ‘un-weird coaching’ and make it a skill set available to anyone. His books have sold over a million copies and Michael has taught more than 200,000 people. As a big fan of his writing, I wanted to talk to him about why being more ‘coach-like’ is so valuable
Ep. 68
Nov 22, 2021
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Andy Brogan and Helen Sanderson on reinventing performance management (for real!)
The current models for how we measure things in organisations tend to produce compliance at their best, and dysfunctions at their worst. Andy Brogan has developed an alternative tool called Confirmation Practices that he hopes could one day completely shift how we see regulation, accreditation and a
Ep. 67
Nov 9, 2021
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Margaret Heffernan on how to act our way out of the status quo trap
Margaret Heffernan is an author, speaker, business leader and professor. She has written six books and her TED talks have been seen by more than 12 million people. We talk about the ‘status quo trap’ in organisations, myths about whistleblowers, her thoughts on self-management and learning to embrac
Ep. 66
Oct 12, 2021
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Pasteur Byabeza on transitioning to self-management at Davis College
Pasteur Byabeza is the lead link of the Student Care Circle at Davis College, a higher learning institution in Rwanda. He is one of the pioneers who has been driving the college’s transition to becoming a self-managed, Holacratic organisation. Though they are early in their journey, taking steps lik
Ep. 65
Sep 27, 2021
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Bayo Akomolafe on generative incapacitation and embracing failure
Bayo Akomolafe is a Nigerian author, professor, chief curator of The Emergence Network and is often known for his poetic and provocative take on big topics such as global crisis and social change. We talk about what he calls 'generative incapacitation' and the kind of leadership that’s needed in the
Ep. 64
Sep 10, 2021
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Jocelyn Davis on leadership as influence and group development
“Command authority is a poor basis for life.” Jocelyn Davis is an author, speaker and the former head of R&D at global consultancy The Forum Corporation. We talk about how she weaves together the threads of leadership, Eastern philosophy and dramatic literature. Her insights on group development, le
Ep. 63
Jul 1, 2021
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Alex Barker and Sam Conniff on what we can learn from being more pirate
Sam Conniff and Alex Barker’s books ‘Be More Pirate’ and ‘How to Be More Pirate’ have sparked a movement of people around the world who want to shake things up, to create new business models and systems that are better for people and planet. The tagline on their website says: "Being more pirate is a
Ep. 62
Jun 10, 2021
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Topi Jokinen on levelling up a construction firm with self-organisation
Topi Jokinen is one of the founders of a small Finnish company in the construction sector called Vertia. Since 2018, Topi has been leading a transformation in the company based on the idea of self-organising cells to help it grow and develop. He is perhaps the first CEO I have met who has done this
Ep. 61
May 25, 2021
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Anna Thomson and David Baksh on Yoghurt Utopia and meaning at work
Filmmakers Anna Thomson and David Baksh talk to me about Yoghurt Utopia, their documentary about a yoghurt company whose mission is to provide work and accommodation for people living with mental illness in the Catalonia region in Spain. Having spent several years with some of the workers of La Fage
Ep. 60
Mar 30, 2021
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Yuji Yamada on Reinventing Organisations through a Japanese lens
Yuji Yamada is the founder of EnFlow and is interested in exploring the differences between approaching organisational transformation from a ‘Western lens’ and a Japanese lens. We talk about teal organisations from Frederic Laloux’s book ‘Reinventing Organisations’ (which has sold 100,000 copies in
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Mar 1, 2021
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Richard D. Bartlett and Natalia Lombardo from The Hum on going from a domination to a partnership society
Rich and Nati are the founders of collaboration consultancy The Hum and part of the Enspiral network. Between them, they have a background in activism, engineering, community organising and entrepreneurship and are well-respected thought leaders when it comes to decentralised organisations, self-man
Ep. 58
Feb 15, 2021
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Nand Kishore Chaudhary from Jaipur Rugs on love, collective consciousness and self-management
Nand Kishore Chaudhary is the remarkable founder of Jaipur Rugs, a company employing 40,000 weavers in 600 villages selling beautiful carpets in 40 countries. The artisans – most of them women in India’s “untouchable” class – are the “heroes of the business”, and self-managed principles like distrib
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Feb 2, 2021
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The Leadermorphosis podcast is transforming the world of work one conversation at a time. Join host Lisa Gill as she talks to practitioners, authors, and thinkers from all over the world who are at the cutting edge of new ways of working, leading, and being together. Each guest shares what they have learned on their journeys of reinventing organisations or helping to transform how we see the world. The aim? To inspire and embolden listeners to start experimenting, and act their way into a more decentralised, more human future of work.
“The Leadermorphosis podcast is the absolute gold standard of conversations about organisations.” – Richard D. Bartlett, co-founder of Loomio, The Hum and director of The Enspiral Foundation
Lisa Gill
Lisa was included in the Thinkers50 Radar 2020 for her work with self-managing teams and is the author of ‘Moose Heads on the Table: Stories About Self-Managing Organisations from Sweden’ (2020). She is an organisational self-management coach, trainer with Tuff Leadership Training and founder of Reimaginaire.
“Turning self-managed teams from a good idea into reality is a big challenge and Lisa Gill is leading the way in making it happen.” – Thinkers50
Leadermorphosis is powered by Tuff Leadership Training. Tuff trains people in the mindset and skills needed to lead in more involving ways and create working climates built on trust and openness, as well as helping organisations introduce or develop self-managing teams.
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Host – Lisa Gill
Editing – Shaun Harvey
Intro track VO – Maria Hentzel
Intro track music – Robert Valsinger
Website – Tom Locke
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