Xavier Costa on lessons from self-managing organisations in Spain
Why does Spain appear to be a hotbed for progressive organisations lately? Xavier Costa shares three hypotheses: the implementation of the NER self-management approach in over 100 companies, a rich history of cooperatives, and a culture of innovation in the boundaries of Spain. We also talk about le
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Jul 10, 2025
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Tamila Gresham and Simon Mont from Harmonize on new ways of seeing, being and working together
The way groups are working together is not working. But introducing new structures alone is not enough. Tamila and Simon talk to me about how we need to develop our ways of seeing, being and working together if we want to act in the highest possible alignment with our vision. A key part of this is u
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May 21, 2024
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Etienne Salborn and Tonny Wamboga on SINA, self-organisation and ‘freesponsibility’
SINA (Social Innovation Academy) is a network of social enterprise incubators in Uganda and neighbouring countries with a mission of supporting marginalised young people to create their own solutions to social problems in their communities.There are currently more than 10 SINA communities which have
Ep. 94
Mar 28, 2024
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Tirzah Enumah and Mike Arauz from August Public Inc. on psychological safety, equity and inclusion
In this episode we talk all about psychological safety – the misconceptions, what it actually means in practice, what we can learn about it through an equity lens, and how we can design organisational structures that support it (like decision-making protocols). We also talk about how August does onb
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Feb 28, 2024
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Miki Kashtan and Emma Quayle from NGL on the capacity lens as a path to reinvent ourselves and our organisations
Miki is the seed founder and Emma a founding member of the Nonviolent Global Liberation community (NGL), which runs entirely as a gift economy. They and NGL as a whole are knee-deep in visionary experimentation about what it would take to realign humanity with life through online and community livin
Ep. 92
Feb 1, 2024
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Miquel, Blanca and Pau from Deerns Spain on becoming a self-managing engineering company
Deerns Spain, a team of around 60 engineers, has been on a transformation journey since March 2020. Inspired by K2K Emocionando, they now work without managers which means that everyone is “creating our company all the time”. I talked to Miquel Castellvi (General Coordinator), Blanca Capdevila (Peop
Ep. 91
Sep 26, 2023
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adrienne maree brown on Emergent Strategy and being in right relationship with change
I'm thrilled to have adrienne maree brown on the podcast, someone who 'grows ideas in public' through her writing, her podcasts and her music. Ideas like Emergent Strategy, Pleasure Activism, Radical Imagination and Transformative Justice. We talk about what it means to be in right relationship with
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May 31, 2023
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Ted Rau on parallels between Relationship Anarchy and self-management
What can the realm of self-management and new ways of working learn from the realm of polyamory, Relationship Anarchy and open relationships? And how can practices in self-organising work teams help us improve our personal relationships? Ted Rau is the co-founder of Sociocracy for All and author of
Ep. 89
May 10, 2023
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Jessica and Douglas Rauch from Aquadec on tradesmen and teal
Douglas Rauch was thinking of selling his construction business until he read Reinventing Organisations by Frederic Laloux. After that, Aquadec went on a transformation journey to becoming a self-managing company. Douglas and his daughter Jessica share the ups and downs of this process over the last
Ep. 88
Apr 25, 2023
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Kimberly Loh on Compassionate Conversations and understanding our patterns in conflicts
Kimberly Loh works in the worlds of conflict resolution, coaching, embodiment and mindfulness. She is also the co-author of ‘Compassionate Conversations: How to Speak and Listen from the Heart.’ We talk about learning to be aware of patterns we have when it comes to engaging with conflict, and Kim s
Ep. 87
Apr 12, 2023
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Sanjay Fernandes on Self-Organised Learning Environments in Colombia
Since 2014, Sanjay Fernandes and his colleagues at SOLE Colombia have been teaching citizens the principles of a Self-Organised Learning Environment. He is passionate about reimagining learning and tackling issues like inequality, inspired by decades of research by Sugata Mitra which has shown that
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Mar 23, 2023
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Bernadette Wesley on bridging inner and outer transformation
Bernadette Wesley’s work is all about bridging the world of inner development with the world of being in an organisation together. We talk about Deliberately Developmental Organisations (DDOs); self-organisation and why changing structures is not enough; the Inner Development Goals (IDGs); and three
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Mar 8, 2023
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Jon Alexander on the possibility of opening up a Citizen Future
Jon Alexander is the author of the hugely popular 2022 book ‘Citizens: Why the Key to Fixing Everything is All of Us’. He talks to me about the people he interviewed and the stories he collected which show how it’s possible to go from what he calls a ‘Consumer’ mindset to a ‘Citizen’ mindset – like
Ep. 84
Feb 22, 2023
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Imandeep Kaur on reimagining social and civic infrastructures for the challenges of the 21st century
What would it look like to reimagine the systems of a whole city? To really involve citizens in addressing the huge challenges we face today? Imandeep Kaur reflects on what she has learned in the last ten years from being part of an ecosystem of social entrepreneurs in Birmingham who are cultivating
Ep. 83
Feb 9, 2023
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Ruth, Taryn and Philippa from Mayden, a health tech company that’s Made Without Managers
Three authors of the book ‘Made Without Managers: One Company’s Journey to New Ways of Working’ join me to talk about what they have learned at Mayden, a cloud based health tech solutions organisation in the UK. Ruth Waterfield (developer and scrum master), Taryn Burden (product owner of Mayden’s ne
Ep. 82
Jan 11, 2023
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Erik Korsvik Østergaard on fragmented organisations and futures literacy
Erik is an executive advisor on transformation and the future of work, leadership, and collaboration, and the author of ‘Teal Dots in an Orange World.’ We talk about how this 'new ways of working' movement is evolving, and in particular a positive trend that Erik calls 'fragmented organisations' tha
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Nov 23, 2022
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Mette Aagaard on how a public sector organisation with 8,000 employees is exploring autonomous teams
For the past year, the Municipality of Slagelse in Denmark has been experimenting with autonomous teams. Of the 8,000 employees, some 25-30 units so far have opted in to learn how to make decisions as a team using key principles of Sociocracy. Mette Aagaard, Head of Development, shares what they hav
Ep. 80
Sep 20, 2022
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Lina Maskoliūnė on lessons from a self-managed business experiment in Lithuania
Lina shares the story of her time at Finnish commercial real estate company Technopolis where she led the transformation of the Lithuania business unit. Inspired by Frederic Laloux's book Reinventing Organisations, she got the mandate from her boss to run her business unit of 20 people in a totally
Ep. 79
Sep 7, 2022
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Sofia Reis and Luís Alberto Simões on experiments guided by autonomy and connection at Mindera
Sofia and Luís talk about the self-organisation journey at global software engineering company, Mindera. With 900+ employees and counting, they have evolved as a company without managers through experiments guided by questions like: Will this bring more autonomy? Is it human friendly? This has resul
Ep. 78
Aug 17, 2022
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Aaron Dignan on using software to help scale new ways of working
Aaron Dignan, author of Brave New Work and founder of The Ready, is back on the podcast, this time to talk about how his new software startup, Murmur, can help organisations scale new ways of working. We talk about the importance of team agreements and how to keep them alive, plus what Aaron and his
Ep. 77
Aug 2, 2022
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Ria Baeck and J.D. Nasaw on trauma informed collaboration
Ria Baeck and J.D. Nasaw. Ria and J.D. are both coaches and facilitators who combine scientific research of trauma with embodied practices of collective intelligence and wisdom. In our conversation, we discuss questions like: what does trauma have to do with new ways of working? How can we be more
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Jun 29, 2022
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The Leadermorphosis podcast is transforming the world of work one conversation at a time. Join host Lisa Gill as she talks to practitioners, authors, and thinkers from all over the world who are at the cutting edge of new ways of working, leading, and being together. Each guest shares what they have learned on their journeys of reinventing organisations or helping to transform how we see the world. The aim? To inspire and embolden listeners to start experimenting, and act their way into a more decentralised, more human future of work.
“The Leadermorphosis podcast is the absolute gold standard of conversations about organisations.” – Richard D. Bartlett, co-founder of Loomio, The Hum and director of The Enspiral Foundation
Lisa Gill
Lisa was included in the Thinkers50 Radar 2020 for her work with self-managing teams and is the author of ‘Moose Heads on the Table: Stories About Self-Managing Organisations from Sweden’ (2020). She is an organisational self-management coach, trainer with Tuff Leadership Training and founder of Reimaginaire.
“Turning self-managed teams from a good idea into reality is a big challenge and Lisa Gill is leading the way in making it happen.” – Thinkers50
Leadermorphosis is powered by Tuff Leadership Training. Tuff trains people in the mindset and skills needed to lead in more involving ways and create working climates built on trust and openness, as well as helping organisations introduce or develop self-managing teams.
Learn more at tuffleadershiptraining.com
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Host – Lisa Gill
Editing – Shaun Harvey
Intro track VO – Maria Hentzel
Intro track music – Robert Valsinger
Website – Tom Locke
Transcripts - Tom Bordell